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[petermarcus]

So, there's still no solid info on the whole Plame-Rove thing, but the latest leaks seem to be making Rove look like he's actually a victim in this. Novak called Rove after hearing from another source about Plame. A few days later, Cooper called Rove, chatted him up about welfare reform, then hit Rove with false information that Cheney and Tenet sent Wilson to Niger. Rove told Cooper the truth -- that Cooper was wrong, Wilson's wife set up the trip, and Wilson was lying about who sent him. I can understand Wilson wanting to protect his wife's identity, but why lie about Cheney and Tenet, and not toss it off to some nameless department in the CIA?

Now, the democrats (and some republicans, and a whole lot of independents) can't stand Karl Rove. The calling for his resignation and security clearance is getting a little shrill lately, because his downfall was almost certain for a while there. I think it's going to backfire on the dems in a big way, especially when the full report gets out. If there is a well established chain of evidence that Rove was just a second source, that he was told about Plame's identity from two separate reporters and didn't know it himself, that he was actually trying to help Cooper not publish a lie from Wilson (and, thus, help Cheney rather than burn Plame), then the dems are going to be perceived as falsely convicting Rove purely out of bitter political reasons -- which is exactly what they're accusing Rove of doing to Wilson and Plame.

One thing about this still bugs me. It's pretty well established in the rumor-mill that Rove was the one who waived confidentiality for Cooper (which, apparently, was not a dramatic last minute thing, but a silly procedural thing -- on the day before Cooper was to be sent to jail, Cooper's lawyer asked Rove's lawyer to waive the confidentiality, and Rove's lawyer assumed that Cooper already had it, signed another piece of paper, and voila). So....who is the other source? The one that started the whole thing? Miller is in jail for not revealing her source. We can assume it wasn't Rove, as Rove has publicly waived his confidentiality, twice. Novak called Rove to confirm, and so Rove is one of the two sources Novak used. Who else did Miller and Novak talk to? Who started this whole thing rolling?

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Wilson's no liar.

[terracinque.livejournal.com]

Calling Wilson a liar is a classic Karl Rove smear tactic, and there's absolutely no substance to it.

The Vice-President's office was interested in the claims about Saddam buying uranium from Niger, and asked a CIA task force to look into it. That task force (which included Valerie Plame) asked Wilson to go to Niger and investigate. Wilson has extensive experience in Africa, particularly Niger, so it was perfectly reasonable to send him and for Plame to recommend him (but she wasn't the sole person making that decision).

Wilson has never said "the Vice-President sent me to Niger" but rather "the Vice-President's office sent me to Niger." Given the paragraph above, do you think it's anything other than a smear to characterize that statement as a "lie?"

And even if Valerie Plame did make the sole decision to send Wilson to Niger, how did either of them stand to benefit from it? Were they planning to get rich off the frequent-flyer points, or the government per diem?

And if Rove was simply heroically trying to defend the integrity of the press, why didn't he say so, two years ago? Why did he assure Scott McClellan he wasn't involved in the leak?

Why didn't the President say, "There was no leak" instead of "I want to find the leaker so I can fire him?"

[wild-mind.livejournal.com]

Rove a victim? I've heard a lot of ridiculous things suggested in the context of the investigation, but I gotta say - that one's right up there with the cream of it. While this administration gets demonized no matter what move it makes -- and I've got my beefs with that too -- the idea that Karl Rove would do or say much of anything in the political arena with "purely altruistic intent" is too far a reach for my mind to stretch.

News: The Dems and most of the independents hated Rove long before this came out, he's a master spinster and I've no doubt whatever comes out of the investigation will be heavily weighted with his artwork in that regard. If he's looking like The Victim right now - he's already had his paintbrush out.